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ought to be numbered among all things,
because they read that all things were made by the
Son,
must needs also think that the Son is to be numbered among all things,
because they read:
But, consequently, they also do not separate the Father from all things,
who do not separate the Son from all creatures, since,
as all things are of the
Father, so, too, all things are by the Son.
And the Apostle, because of his foresight in the
Spirit,
used this very expression,
lest he should seem to the impious who had heard that the Son had said,
That which My Father has given Me is greater than all,
John 10:29 to have included the Son among all.
Fathers of the Church > Against Heresies ( Irenaeus of Lyon ).
Chapter 2 The world was not formed by angels, or by any other being, contrary to the will of the Most High God, but was made by the Father through the Word.
Note-: I suggest ' The Holy Spirit ' as the Word ( Spirit in operation, beginning with Time ) generated the world a nihilo. Not yet the Father who made scriptural Adam out of biological Adam.
I cannot see anything heretical about what I am suggesting.
La', illa la', illaaa Allaah! .........................................
The Trinitarian Formula of Chalcedon needs reconsidering
for World-Peace's sake.
I love Hebrews and Islamists....
they are
my Sisters and Brothers!
( Especially the 'girles ')
My fundamental concern/motivation in my present Trinitarian, theological speculations is to make Christianity and the Trinitarian Formula of Chalcedon acceptable to Islam which appears to me to be the historical heir of Arianism/Gnosticism, in so far as Jesus' identity is concerned.
I am considering a new approach --:
The HOLY SPIRIT is the universal, timeless generator of all forms, transformations, aspects of all types of Energies.................................
the islamic ALLAH,
the hebraic, scriptural RUAH ELOHIM
( the Breath/Life Spirit of the Helohim )
...................of Genesis 1........i.e., ruah elohim merahepheis al phenei hammaim...............the breath of the Helohim went to and from over the face of the waters..............The Helohim had not been incarnated yet by the Word in Yahweh ( and his Elohim) to make Scriptural Adam out of Biological Adam...........the Breath alone moved and Genesis ( incomprehensibly so even to the writers of Genesis ) is referring here to a stage of Evolution still millions, millions of years ago, before the evolution of Biological Adam in ca. 75,000 BC.
The WORD is the Holy Spirit working in time.
YAHWEH/JEHOVAH is the Father, the Maker ( the Holy Spirit/Word alone is the Generator ), like Jesus, a chosen human person in whom the WORD incarnated in ca. 6000 BC and made Scriptural Adam or Homo Sapiens Sapiens out of a mutation of the Biological Adam or Homo Sapiens, evolved out of Evolution in ca. 75,000 BC. Jesus, like Yahweh, the Father is the Mediator, the Advocate, the Paraclete, the Exemplar, the Referential Witness, come to further reveal, aid and clarify.
So did Mohammed.
Did Jesus fail in His Mission?
This appears to be a pertinent question to ask,
considering the bloodshed caused in His name since His Birth, and through the disagreements about His and his Father's true Identities. The Father is such as the maker of scriptural Adam and all scriptural humankind from Adam onwards.
As a contrast, the HOLY SPIRIT created/chose to not generate-from-it-own-substance the Cosmos out of nothing, a nihilo, as we sadly know and realize, as the Cosmos has never been divine, but was made ( not generated) imperfect, subjected to scarcity, necessity and Entropy.
However, according to theologians such as Teilhard de Chardin, in concurrence with St.Paul and St. John, the Cosmos' subjection to physical Entropy does not exclude an in-parallel/in-some-other-dimension building up of a spiritual/glorious/divine New Earth regenerated in Enthalpy.
This is the meaning of the word SAVING.
Anyone, anything SAVED, becomes part of the Enthalpic New System of things and beings.
The Trinitarian Formula is correct in so far as there is only One God, and we, the people of the Books, i.e., Hebrews, Moslems and Christians, agree with Mohammed, may his name be blessed,
i.e., the One God is the HOLY SPIRIT/WORD ( Holy Spirit/Allah in operation ), however the latter divinizing the human persons whom IT ( Allah has no gender as Allah is pure Spirit ) incarnated into, i.e., Yahweh and Jesus, who cannot share in Allah's generative-powers, but only in Allah's making-powers which the WORD of ALLAH used at Creation out of nothing, a nihilo, outside time.
Arians, Jews and Moslems fail in so far as they place limitations to the Holy Spirit's ( Allah's) capacity and freedom to assign divinity to a specially chosen human being ( i.e., the Father and the Son ), this divinity, empowering the said divinized human person acting on the Spirit's/Allah's behalf with a power-to-make however not to generate.
Adam, the pre-Incarnation-human-bodies of Jahweh/Helohim, of Jesus were made /asaah out of the Earth, say in ca. 6000 BC, the word adamah/earth meaning the existing resources evolved through Evolution, the pre-Evolution-resources made by the Spirit through the WORD, the ruah elohim of Genesis 1, in time, not generated/baraa like the Word was, outside time.
Sanctification/Divinisation/Glorification can also apply to a faithful-one entering Paradise, as a reward for faith and conversion.
As with some Saints of the Church, sanctification may give a capacity to perform miracles, but never to As with some Saints of the Church, sanctification may give a capacity to perform miracles, but never to generate a nihilo or to make a new being.
Conversion is necessary, through believing, being, willing and acting;
'Faith alone ( Sola fides ) shall not do as " Even Satan believes, has faith in Satan and knows about God, however defying God ". Gratia and right being and right willing and acting are all required and the seal of a true conversion.
Sacraments ( similarly to Sola Fides ) are a beginning-to, aids, stimulation-to, props, crutches-like, but do not constitute conversion.
Mafiosis...............please pay attention!
Neither Hebrews nor Moslems can object to this meaning of the word
' divinisation/glorification ' used by St. Paul, Saul of Tarsus, an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin, and a Pharisee, a true Israelite, in his Letter to the Romans.
On the other hand both Hebrews and Moslems are correct in so far as they, with Mohammed, subconsciously mean to object to the ambiguity present in the Formula of Chalcedon in so far as it appears to assign to both the Father and the Son, who only have the making-capacity of Allah, the same generative-capacity of Allah/Holy-Spirit/Word which always remains the exclusive prerogative of the HOLY-SPIRIT/WORD/ALLAH.
So the Formula of Chalcedon needs clarification, reformation and reformulation.
The Judaeo-Christian millennial misinformation and confusion results from the failure to separate the Breath/Holy-Spirit or Ruah-Elohim in Genesis 1 from the Yahweh/Elohim who came much later and whose divine, making-nature ( not a generating one ) IT constitutes.
Similarly in so far as Jesus is concerned.
The Trinitaran Formula of Chalcedon refers in truth, only to the the three Persons as being all the One and same WORD, the HOLY SPIRIT in operation/making in the Cosmos, also through its human incarnations of Yahweh and Jesus.
All this may sound heretical, but.................
it does not have to be so necessarily.............
since it is not anti-trinitarian in spirit..............
I may be a nobody, admittedly so, but,
again, this does not necessarily make me wrong.........................
God chooses the weak and the foolish ones.....................
I cannot help this either.................aj, ja, aj, ja, ja, ja, aj
P.S.--: Consider the above carefully all you who claim to be mouth-speakers for God, or to be in God's Service, as the blood of the people of the Books may be on your heads.
End the theological, man-made divisions,
all human foolishness!
The blood shall be on your heads!
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La', illa la', illaaa Allaah!