Post 320. The Egyptian Unrest.
My family moved to Egypt in the middle of the nineteenth century ( 1800....) from Sicily when Egypt was under the rule of Ali Pasha', who ruled in turn under the blessing of Turkey; my family has been there until the end of WWII when the militant, exclusivist, Islamic Nationalism began to make life difficult for non-Moslems in Egypt, even if when belonging to a second generation born in Egypt. Both my grandfather and my father were born in Egypt. It is an undisputed fact that Europeans were invited into Egypt by rulers such as Ali' Pasha' who was of Macedonian origins, a slavic-greek, in order to help modernizing that then retrogressive people, even in a relative opposition to the Policy of the Turks. The Egyptians had been, similarly to all the people of the Turkish Empire oppressed and exploited, sometimes subjected to genocidal campaigns, as in the case of the Armenians, by the rapacious and corrupt Ottomans, who were abusing Mohammedanism ( as distinct from Islamism), by just not trying to reform Islamism of its theocratic obsession, in order to further their political end-: The total domination and control of the Arabs and of Arabic Culture, subserved to Turkish Imperialism. It may appear that the Egyptians have become a modern people asking just for Democracy, however, please do not be fooled, as the masses under the influence of Islam only ask for Democracy if/when prompted by the Brotherhoods seeking the corruption and disorder facilitated in the scenario of an abused democracy, a scenario also facilitated by the same Brotherhoods, aiming at the usurpation of power. In short, Democracy with its theoretical/idealistic freedoms, becomes a tool for the usurpation of power in the climate of fanatical Islamism. That is why dictators like Saddam Hussein, if/when available, become the final step of such usurpations when even the mutually inimical Brotherhoods have to become restrained to avoid anarchy. The alternative to a dictator such as Saddam Hussein is a leader like Mubarrak who, although being democratic, does not, cannot afford to tolerate abuses of democratic freedoms, to avoid the mentioned schemes by the Brotherhoods. By contrast, we in the West do close an eye to abuses of freedoms in the name of wealth, however these abuses leave us open to the rise and take-overs by MAFIAS which being atheistic and/or diabolical corrupt everything they touch. Islamism on the other hand may be in a way, more moral than the MAFIAS and a lesser evil.
However Islam is unsympathetic with democracy and seeks the rule by the Clergy and their structures of total control, which by themselves, corrupt. This may be a very controversial issue.
Although corrupt and retrogressive at the times of Ali' Pasha', the Ottomans were a cunning mob and knew that they had become no match for Europe.......i.e., Napoleon Bonaparte had already demonstrated in Egypt, in the previous century, the lethal efficiency of a modern european army using mobile artillery, by totally annihilating the Turkish Cavalry of the hitherto famous and invincible Mamelukes all of European origins, trained like the Infantry-Janizzaries since chilhood, as they were children from conquered Balcanic Nations, enslaved by the Turks for the purpose of transforming them into fanatical islamic shock-troops. Moreover, the Turks had lost the momentum of their imperialistic expansion in the 1500 when they lost the Sea Battle of Lepanto ( in Greece ) that saw their entire Navy totally destroyed by the Christian Fleet led by the Spaniards ( no.........there was no English there then, as England had washed her hands of Europe, however forced to become eventually involved in the 1700, in India, in interfering with the Islamic advance in the East. As usual, in the case of the English, their involvement in India and elsewhere had little to do with Christianity but was essentially a matter of trade and the reduction of the competition of other Europeans such as the French, the Dutch and in a lesser measure, the Portuguese. Similarly in the Mediterranean, in relation to Russia's attempts at entering the Mediterranean, when the English and the French were prepared to ally themselves even with the DEVIL, if required, in order to frustrate Russian goals ! We all remember from history the War of Crimea in which the French, the English and even the Italians entered an alliance with Turkey against Russia. The Italian troups were from Piedmont led by two brothers, the Ferrero di La Marmora, and consisted of 40,000 Bersaglieri, an Italian Army Branch of rapidly deploying selected Light Infantry, created by the Ferrero. Incidentally, the war-cry of the Bersaglieri is even to-day -: La Marmora which was the name of one of the feudal properties of the Ferrero. I find this unacceptable especially so in the present Republican times, and would like to suggest that the war-cry be changed to-: Ferreri ( the ancient spelling of the surname Ferrero ) which, in Latin means : " That Thou might have got killed ! ".
On land, at approximately the same time as Lepanto, the Ottoman Army had been repelled by Sobietzki and his Polish Uhlan Cavalry under the walls of Vienna that had been on the verge of capitulation. At the time of Ali' Pasha' the Ottomans were also deterred to stir trouble, by the presence of Holy Russia that considered herself the Third Rome ( if not even the First Rome ) at their back-door in the Crimea, just across the Black Sea. Holy Russia also considered herself the heir of Bizanthium the protrectres of all Slavs and desired to further her Imperialistic claims camouflaged as a self-assigned Christian Mission, challenging all other european powers in the Mediterranean Sea which the English Navy had considered their own since the days of Abukir and Trafalgar when Nelson had humbled the French and the Spaniards. Turkey of course controlled the Bosphorous and the Dardanelle passage from the Black sea to the Mediterranean. As I said above the Ottomans were not fanatical Islamists and knew their military weakness, a reality not perceived even to-day by the uneducated, fanatical, quasi-genetically brain-damaged masses. Even to-day we are witnessing in fact, Islamic Clergy always blindly stirring the masses regarding the resurgence of Islam and the furthering of the Jihad in order to achieve the Global Humma, that is a Global Islam. Billions of oil-revenue are wasted on futile armaments instead of in basic re-education of the masses and agricultural production.
Even a few weeks ago in Melbourne, devious Moslems with Australian Citizenship for which they have uttered an oath of allegiance to our Queen Elizabeth II and to our Laws, have been demonstrating requesting that Egypt focuses on Jihad, Sharia Law, the Restoration of Islam, the election of a Khaliff ( supreme representative of a militant imperialistic Islam, something like a Templar Pope, abolished by Ataturk at the end of the WWII ). Incidentally, I would actually welcome a Khaliff since at the moment, since WWII, there is no way the West can hope to get a unified, consensual response from Islamic Nations who are cunningly and treacherously playing with us, sabotaging all diplomatic talks and agreements, by one making concessions/agreements soon broken by another one among them....................One time it is Syria, next time it is Egypt, next time another one and so on and on..................The aim is the gaining of time, hoping to demoralize us through attrition, while increasing all the time their military power. Imagine the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with the terrorists somehow having access to helicopters and vertical take-off planes.
This is a possibility as has been the case in Korea and Vietnam, where and when China supplied the Air-Arm untouched by American cowardice, fear of escalations resulting from a numerous population at home of mongrels and traitors. Sorry oh those among you Americans who love Western Civilization and have not been totally africanized, or orientalized! But you are stupid. However, Islam is also being foolish and globally-wise-irresponsible as Islamists are forgetting about Global Warming and the depletion of resources; just consider their obsessive population--escalations which together with food shortages are going to hit them worst than us!
But Islamists historically belong to fundamentally barbaric people ( Arabic alphabet, Grammar and lexicon were created as late as ca. 750 AD, probably by syriach scholars with arabic names, somethiung quite common in Spain at those times ), who, through their demographic escalations, become desperate, believe they have nothing to loose and are therefore prepared to die, bringing their opponents down with themselves......a sort of mass-Kamikazes. Also do not forget that they go to Heaven where they get their sexually complyiant and submissive Huris................a more X-Hamster...............
The Egyptian Crisis is in fact, in an ultimate analysis, the result of the escalating population of Egypt that even the mighty Nile River cannot satisfy. And there is no possibility of the construction of another Aswan Dam.
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Now, after the digressions, while in a Western Nation, birth in a nation's territory gives a person citizenship rights, as is the case in stupid Australia and America, Islamists think differently as they also demand for civic equality a thorough conversion to the local culture and religion, which is another Civilization altogether, a belief that reminds us of the world of the Middle Ages. It is as if Australians, the English, the North Americans were to impose a total renunciation of Islam and most importantly and specifically.................of the islamic theocratic obsesssion that makes every Moslem a potential threat, a political time-bomb, to any of the non-Islamic democracy.
It is in fact we, not Islam that have to be suspicious of neighbours, if/when Moslems. Moslems only support Democracy when it is liable to aid the usurpation of power by one of their Islamic Brotherhoods which are akin to Political MAFIA/TERRORISTIC GROUPS. Personally, my advice to the West is that no Moslem be allowed into political leadership unless his fellow islamic citizens who have achieved their Citizenship in a Western Nation under consideration are asked to sign a document renouncing the theocratic obsession and requesting a reformed exegesis of the Q'uran, in the same way that Western Nations have done historically with their similar theocratic obsessions starting with the Lutheran Reform. I would be asking this of the Moslems who are citizens of a western nation rather than for all the globe as the latter attempt is difficult and arbitrary. However the arbitrarity would here be amply justified. We are all aware in fact of Spain and its global drive to spread Christianity by the sword and genetic cleansing if/when required, since the times of the discovery of the Americas. However, all Christian Theologies have long ago renounced theocratic obsessions. Why should anyone tolerate to-day, unreformed Islamic and Israeli theocratic goals?
A practical realistic comment is that in Australia Members of Parliament are generally screened for their religious neutrality in relation to political issues. This is expedient but an evil to which the World has become subject by the diversity or lack of religious beliefs. Religion should indeed inform Government. However, this separation of religion from state, does not represent a breach of democratic freedoms, as a Moslem would agitate to suggest/claim, but, on the contrary, a policy aiming at safeguarding Democracy in the presence of different religious beliefs, some of which ideologically and politically aim at the eventual taking over of power and the installation of a dominant religion. Incidentally, the same spirit of abuse-prevention should enlighten the promulgation of Laws when dealing with the Issue of Crimes. A distinction should be made between crimes of random, isolated passions and those resulting from planned, organized collusion of individuals or associations aiming at the criminal acquisition of power and control of people or resources. I am referring to what is colloquially known as MAFIA.
Laws punishing the acquisition of weapons or other means of furthering their Mafiosi's objectives which are superior to anything the Law-Enforcement-Agencies of the Nation use, should be ruthlessly, severely used against such VERMIN. In short, once the collusive/corporated type of criminality is demonstrated any means should be legal to apprehend and totally make these people and their extended families inoffensive for several generations. Otherwise a Democracy cannot operate and survive in a naive and simplistic scenario of : THE LAW IS EQUAL FOR ALL!
I would apply the above to all kind of terrorists.
On the basis of what illusion/delusion are we in the West believing that a Democracy is automatically self-protecting without the involvement of its people........as if by definition........or by some esoteric power?
I apologize to the readers for the numerous digressions which have the purpose of supplying information necessary to the understanding of my views on the problems I discuss. If one speaks to a fanatic demonstrator in Egypt he/she shall bring forward different perspectives than the one I am presenting. He/she shall blame the Government led by Mubarrak or the West for what appear to be the never solved problems of Egypt which are the same ones applying to many Third World nations which refuse to admit they have a huge problem with exponentially growing populations.
No one, especially the politicians, on all sides, appear to have the honesty or courage to-day to point this out.
I would probably spit it out on their faces.
Islam in particular has a religious ideology that has become a subconscious cultural trend, based on the theocratic obsesssion, that uses demographic escalations as the means to take over host nations after the course of even centuries of Islamic growth. Democratic voting to-day is a fatal weakness in western nations in this respect, since majorities rule by agreement.
However this should be considered an abuse of democracy and counteracted by Law and suitable measures.
At the end of WWII Egypt began the process of harassing members of its ethnic minorities who left Egypt whenever they had an opportunity to find a country that would receive them. Intolerably and unacceptably so, the Christian Copts, who are the ancient people of Egypt, present there in the times of Bizanthium, before the Islamic invasions and conquests in ca. 630 AD have also been harassed and made to leave. In a way, they deserve what they are getting since they betrayed the Bizantines during the Islamic invasions of Egypt. The Armenians, one million of whom were murdered, during an ethnic-cleansing- campaign by the Turks, and have no country left to go, have also been harassed. The creation of the State of Israel was in fact one of the solutions available for Egyptian Jews. Incidentally, Mubarrak is disliked for his being a level-headed, rational, moderate Moslem, seeking co-operation and collaboration with the West, and peace with Israel, not a fanatical Imperialistic Islamist. Yet even leaders like Obama, Zarchozy, Gillard are missing the point and talking nonsense.
Please remember the murder by the Brotherhood of Saadat, the charismatic soldier-leader of Egypt after Nasser.
The population of Egypt was 14 millions in 1925 and doubled to 28 millions by 1950, and doubled again by year 1995 to 56 millions, expected to reach 68 millions by year 2000.
Egypt's surface is probably only one eights that of Australia. The fertile part is even much, much, much smaller.
Let Egypt be a lesson to those Australians who believe in an unchecked population- growth here in our dry Continent!
Let us please maintain reserves for the worsening times to come.
Let others who have been unwise reduce their populations. How? That is not our problem. Sorry!
Perhaps legislate and enforce the Law aiming at one child per woman.
And spare me your pathetic bullshit, please.
These are matters of life and death.
How many people can the river Nile and Lake Nasser, given that the creation of Lake Nasser displaced up to 100,000 Egyptian agricultural families, feed while having disrupted the climates and the economies of Southern Soudan and Ethiopia? In relation to the electrical energy produced, while it satisfied one half of Egypt's needs in 1980 , the population growth is going to cause its relative scarcity, especially to-day when oil is fast disappearing.
So, please, do not feel sorry for the fuckumitic bastards as they themselves are asking for Allah's wrath on their own heads!
However Islam is unsympathetic with democracy and seeks the rule by the Clergy and their structures of total control, which by themselves, corrupt. This may be a very controversial issue.
Although corrupt and retrogressive at the times of Ali' Pasha', the Ottomans were a cunning mob and knew that they had become no match for Europe.......i.e., Napoleon Bonaparte had already demonstrated in Egypt, in the previous century, the lethal efficiency of a modern european army using mobile artillery, by totally annihilating the Turkish Cavalry of the hitherto famous and invincible Mamelukes all of European origins, trained like the Infantry-Janizzaries since chilhood, as they were children from conquered Balcanic Nations, enslaved by the Turks for the purpose of transforming them into fanatical islamic shock-troops. Moreover, the Turks had lost the momentum of their imperialistic expansion in the 1500 when they lost the Sea Battle of Lepanto ( in Greece ) that saw their entire Navy totally destroyed by the Christian Fleet led by the Spaniards ( no.........there was no English there then, as England had washed her hands of Europe, however forced to become eventually involved in the 1700, in India, in interfering with the Islamic advance in the East. As usual, in the case of the English, their involvement in India and elsewhere had little to do with Christianity but was essentially a matter of trade and the reduction of the competition of other Europeans such as the French, the Dutch and in a lesser measure, the Portuguese. Similarly in the Mediterranean, in relation to Russia's attempts at entering the Mediterranean, when the English and the French were prepared to ally themselves even with the DEVIL, if required, in order to frustrate Russian goals ! We all remember from history the War of Crimea in which the French, the English and even the Italians entered an alliance with Turkey against Russia. The Italian troups were from Piedmont led by two brothers, the Ferrero di La Marmora, and consisted of 40,000 Bersaglieri, an Italian Army Branch of rapidly deploying selected Light Infantry, created by the Ferrero. Incidentally, the war-cry of the Bersaglieri is even to-day -: La Marmora which was the name of one of the feudal properties of the Ferrero. I find this unacceptable especially so in the present Republican times, and would like to suggest that the war-cry be changed to-: Ferreri ( the ancient spelling of the surname Ferrero ) which, in Latin means : " That Thou might have got killed ! ".
On land, at approximately the same time as Lepanto, the Ottoman Army had been repelled by Sobietzki and his Polish Uhlan Cavalry under the walls of Vienna that had been on the verge of capitulation. At the time of Ali' Pasha' the Ottomans were also deterred to stir trouble, by the presence of Holy Russia that considered herself the Third Rome ( if not even the First Rome ) at their back-door in the Crimea, just across the Black Sea. Holy Russia also considered herself the heir of Bizanthium the protrectres of all Slavs and desired to further her Imperialistic claims camouflaged as a self-assigned Christian Mission, challenging all other european powers in the Mediterranean Sea which the English Navy had considered their own since the days of Abukir and Trafalgar when Nelson had humbled the French and the Spaniards. Turkey of course controlled the Bosphorous and the Dardanelle passage from the Black sea to the Mediterranean. As I said above the Ottomans were not fanatical Islamists and knew their military weakness, a reality not perceived even to-day by the uneducated, fanatical, quasi-genetically brain-damaged masses. Even to-day we are witnessing in fact, Islamic Clergy always blindly stirring the masses regarding the resurgence of Islam and the furthering of the Jihad in order to achieve the Global Humma, that is a Global Islam. Billions of oil-revenue are wasted on futile armaments instead of in basic re-education of the masses and agricultural production.
Even a few weeks ago in Melbourne, devious Moslems with Australian Citizenship for which they have uttered an oath of allegiance to our Queen Elizabeth II and to our Laws, have been demonstrating requesting that Egypt focuses on Jihad, Sharia Law, the Restoration of Islam, the election of a Khaliff ( supreme representative of a militant imperialistic Islam, something like a Templar Pope, abolished by Ataturk at the end of the WWII ). Incidentally, I would actually welcome a Khaliff since at the moment, since WWII, there is no way the West can hope to get a unified, consensual response from Islamic Nations who are cunningly and treacherously playing with us, sabotaging all diplomatic talks and agreements, by one making concessions/agreements soon broken by another one among them....................One time it is Syria, next time it is Egypt, next time another one and so on and on..................The aim is the gaining of time, hoping to demoralize us through attrition, while increasing all the time their military power. Imagine the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with the terrorists somehow having access to helicopters and vertical take-off planes.
This is a possibility as has been the case in Korea and Vietnam, where and when China supplied the Air-Arm untouched by American cowardice, fear of escalations resulting from a numerous population at home of mongrels and traitors. Sorry oh those among you Americans who love Western Civilization and have not been totally africanized, or orientalized! But you are stupid. However, Islam is also being foolish and globally-wise-irresponsible as Islamists are forgetting about Global Warming and the depletion of resources; just consider their obsessive population--escalations which together with food shortages are going to hit them worst than us!
But Islamists historically belong to fundamentally barbaric people ( Arabic alphabet, Grammar and lexicon were created as late as ca. 750 AD, probably by syriach scholars with arabic names, somethiung quite common in Spain at those times ), who, through their demographic escalations, become desperate, believe they have nothing to loose and are therefore prepared to die, bringing their opponents down with themselves......a sort of mass-Kamikazes. Also do not forget that they go to Heaven where they get their sexually complyiant and submissive Huris................a more X-Hamster...............
The Egyptian Crisis is in fact, in an ultimate analysis, the result of the escalating population of Egypt that even the mighty Nile River cannot satisfy. And there is no possibility of the construction of another Aswan Dam.
..................................................
Now, after the digressions, while in a Western Nation, birth in a nation's territory gives a person citizenship rights, as is the case in stupid Australia and America, Islamists think differently as they also demand for civic equality a thorough conversion to the local culture and religion, which is another Civilization altogether, a belief that reminds us of the world of the Middle Ages. It is as if Australians, the English, the North Americans were to impose a total renunciation of Islam and most importantly and specifically.................of the islamic theocratic obsesssion that makes every Moslem a potential threat, a political time-bomb, to any of the non-Islamic democracy.
It is in fact we, not Islam that have to be suspicious of neighbours, if/when Moslems. Moslems only support Democracy when it is liable to aid the usurpation of power by one of their Islamic Brotherhoods which are akin to Political MAFIA/TERRORISTIC GROUPS. Personally, my advice to the West is that no Moslem be allowed into political leadership unless his fellow islamic citizens who have achieved their Citizenship in a Western Nation under consideration are asked to sign a document renouncing the theocratic obsession and requesting a reformed exegesis of the Q'uran, in the same way that Western Nations have done historically with their similar theocratic obsessions starting with the Lutheran Reform. I would be asking this of the Moslems who are citizens of a western nation rather than for all the globe as the latter attempt is difficult and arbitrary. However the arbitrarity would here be amply justified. We are all aware in fact of Spain and its global drive to spread Christianity by the sword and genetic cleansing if/when required, since the times of the discovery of the Americas. However, all Christian Theologies have long ago renounced theocratic obsessions. Why should anyone tolerate to-day, unreformed Islamic and Israeli theocratic goals?
A practical realistic comment is that in Australia Members of Parliament are generally screened for their religious neutrality in relation to political issues. This is expedient but an evil to which the World has become subject by the diversity or lack of religious beliefs. Religion should indeed inform Government. However, this separation of religion from state, does not represent a breach of democratic freedoms, as a Moslem would agitate to suggest/claim, but, on the contrary, a policy aiming at safeguarding Democracy in the presence of different religious beliefs, some of which ideologically and politically aim at the eventual taking over of power and the installation of a dominant religion. Incidentally, the same spirit of abuse-prevention should enlighten the promulgation of Laws when dealing with the Issue of Crimes. A distinction should be made between crimes of random, isolated passions and those resulting from planned, organized collusion of individuals or associations aiming at the criminal acquisition of power and control of people or resources. I am referring to what is colloquially known as MAFIA.
Laws punishing the acquisition of weapons or other means of furthering their Mafiosi's objectives which are superior to anything the Law-Enforcement-Agencies of the Nation use, should be ruthlessly, severely used against such VERMIN. In short, once the collusive/corporated type of criminality is demonstrated any means should be legal to apprehend and totally make these people and their extended families inoffensive for several generations. Otherwise a Democracy cannot operate and survive in a naive and simplistic scenario of : THE LAW IS EQUAL FOR ALL!
I would apply the above to all kind of terrorists.
On the basis of what illusion/delusion are we in the West believing that a Democracy is automatically self-protecting without the involvement of its people........as if by definition........or by some esoteric power?
I apologize to the readers for the numerous digressions which have the purpose of supplying information necessary to the understanding of my views on the problems I discuss. If one speaks to a fanatic demonstrator in Egypt he/she shall bring forward different perspectives than the one I am presenting. He/she shall blame the Government led by Mubarrak or the West for what appear to be the never solved problems of Egypt which are the same ones applying to many Third World nations which refuse to admit they have a huge problem with exponentially growing populations.
No one, especially the politicians, on all sides, appear to have the honesty or courage to-day to point this out.
I would probably spit it out on their faces.
Islam in particular has a religious ideology that has become a subconscious cultural trend, based on the theocratic obsesssion, that uses demographic escalations as the means to take over host nations after the course of even centuries of Islamic growth. Democratic voting to-day is a fatal weakness in western nations in this respect, since majorities rule by agreement.
However this should be considered an abuse of democracy and counteracted by Law and suitable measures.
At the end of WWII Egypt began the process of harassing members of its ethnic minorities who left Egypt whenever they had an opportunity to find a country that would receive them. Intolerably and unacceptably so, the Christian Copts, who are the ancient people of Egypt, present there in the times of Bizanthium, before the Islamic invasions and conquests in ca. 630 AD have also been harassed and made to leave. In a way, they deserve what they are getting since they betrayed the Bizantines during the Islamic invasions of Egypt. The Armenians, one million of whom were murdered, during an ethnic-cleansing- campaign by the Turks, and have no country left to go, have also been harassed. The creation of the State of Israel was in fact one of the solutions available for Egyptian Jews. Incidentally, Mubarrak is disliked for his being a level-headed, rational, moderate Moslem, seeking co-operation and collaboration with the West, and peace with Israel, not a fanatical Imperialistic Islamist. Yet even leaders like Obama, Zarchozy, Gillard are missing the point and talking nonsense.
Please remember the murder by the Brotherhood of Saadat, the charismatic soldier-leader of Egypt after Nasser.
The population of Egypt was 14 millions in 1925 and doubled to 28 millions by 1950, and doubled again by year 1995 to 56 millions, expected to reach 68 millions by year 2000.
Egypt's surface is probably only one eights that of Australia. The fertile part is even much, much, much smaller.
Let Egypt be a lesson to those Australians who believe in an unchecked population- growth here in our dry Continent!
Let us please maintain reserves for the worsening times to come.
Let others who have been unwise reduce their populations. How? That is not our problem. Sorry!
Perhaps legislate and enforce the Law aiming at one child per woman.
And spare me your pathetic bullshit, please.
These are matters of life and death.
How many people can the river Nile and Lake Nasser, given that the creation of Lake Nasser displaced up to 100,000 Egyptian agricultural families, feed while having disrupted the climates and the economies of Southern Soudan and Ethiopia? In relation to the electrical energy produced, while it satisfied one half of Egypt's needs in 1980 , the population growth is going to cause its relative scarcity, especially to-day when oil is fast disappearing.
So, please, do not feel sorry for the fuckumitic bastards as they themselves are asking for Allah's wrath on their own heads!
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