Post 259. Move your Ass South Italians!
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Move your Ass off
http://www.beppegrillo.it/en/2010/05/nothing_is_created_nothing_is_1.html
Move your Ass off
your self-centered
arse-hole
South Italians
(i.e., Napoli-Campania, Rome, Sicily, Calabria etc.)!
There is gold in your rubbish!
If the North Italians, and the Aussies
and others,
can..............
so can you,
you mongrels!
There is gold in your rubbish!
If the North Italians, and the Aussies
and others,
can..............
so can you,
you mongrels!
Nothing is ever created and nothing is ever destroyed. Refuse is a re source and while nothing may be created from a diamond, something can be created from differentiated refuse collection, from chairs, to building materials, to indoor flooring and prefabricated goods. The Vedelago Recycling Centre stands as proof that refuse disposal can become free of charge if we practice differentiated refuse collection. While incinerators cause illnesses, recycling creates jobs. The Vedelago recycling centre employs some 9,200 people. What we need is a Recycling Centre like Vedelago in every province. This blog will provide visibility to any new initiatives. We should be incinerating our refuse collection bills, not our refuse.
Interview with Carla Poli of the Vedelago Recycling Centre.
How does the Vedelago Recycling Centre work?
Blog: "Dr. Carla Poli, we have come here to see the Vedelago Recycling Centre. What do you do here at this plant? "
Carla Poli: "We receive the differentiated refuse from various Municipalities and companies, everything except the organic waste, and we proceed to separate out any material for which there is a ready market. Any material for which there is no ready market gets recycled into raw materials and secondary raw materials, for which there is a ready market.
Blog: "Starting with what? "
Carla Poli: "Starting with waste material that is not immediately usable in its current state, while any bottles and containers are sold off to factories that make new bottles or batteries. This is all the assorted plastic material, still with some paper on them, as well as all the other waste material that used to be sent off to the rubbish dump or to the incinerators. This is a sample of flooring material made from our granulate together with recycled wood chips. This flooring is used in prefabricated buildings, as interior flooring and non-slip exterior flooring, In other words, we have the techniques and the research has already been done. We have had to invest our own money because, until now, we have never received any funding for our research and testing in collaboration with the universities …. "
Blog: "So this material comes out of this plant? "
Carla Poli: "We don’t produce it, there is another company that makes it, but we have now established a new production chain, namely the manufacturing of consumer goods! In addition to this flooring, this material is also used instead of wood to produce chair seats and backrests, like this little armchair. All these chairs still need is to be upholstered. These are boardwalk sections for the beachfront, they are used extensively and they’re made 100% from our material. "
Blog: "Even bollards? "
Carla Poli: "Yes, they contain a certain percentage. We have to continuously research and test. We have to ask ourselves: how do we manufacture this item? How much of this granulate can we use? What can we combine it with? For example, here we have some rubber left over from our recycling of copper cable, the possibilities are endless so we have to research, look for applications and experiment. Pallets, for example, those are used in construction. They have to be submerged in cement in order to improve the aeration and seismic resistance of buildings. The company that used to make them here in Italy, in Ancona in fact, eventually closed down because it was uncompetitive in the marketplace due to its costs, but now, thanks to this new research and application, the company has been re-opened. 80% of this igloo consists of our granulate, or up to 80%, so even partial utilisation of our granulate contributes towards reducing costs. The important thing is our system, not the fact that we have a plant that can be replicated, nor the fact that it can be made to work anywhere, we can .... No, our system relies on organising the territory, in other words, we need the support of the public entities because these public entities are required by law to treat urban waste, while the industrial aspect is a totally different matter. The companies are doing a great job of differential refuse collection because it is saving them money, that’s all there is to it, understand? Amongst themselves, the San Pellegrino Group, the Vera Group, Gatorade and the entire Benetton Group all have canteens and they all practice differentiated waste disposal for the simple reason that it enables them to cut down on their running costs. A method like this can be exported into the Campania region, where the situation is desperate. In Campania, they have to start up the plants, which they already have but which are not working!"
Blog: "That’s because they have been converted and they no longer generate power from waste. "
Carla Poli: "Does this mean that it has to be taken to the waste disposal dump or to the incinerator? Well, either it goes there or it goes off for recycling, the material has to go somewhere! "
Blog: "There is a mountain of eco-bales that no one knows for sure what they contain … "
Carla Poli: "Eco-bales are a totally different problem. You have to know what… we don’t handle unsorted material that arrives in bulk. If you want to go this route, and I’ve said it three times already, then you have to arrange for appropriate refuse collection upstream, because no one wants to work in chaos. Instead, if the dry fraction of the refuse arrives, without any organic matter and we find that it has 4 or 5% humidity, then we will correct the error, the percentage error, not the mix error that is … if you’re not prepared to do this, then the stuff must be taken to the dump. It is obvious that there are certain very specific rules … If a Company mixes its production waste, which may be plastic fragments, with the waste from its canteens, you must understand that we won’t even touch it because we need material, not raw refuse! Those that do differentiated refuse collection must understand that there is a big difference. So the recycling starts here, we transform the stuff into primary and secondary raw materials, as you can see, here you can see it perfectly, this is… you see the dry fraction? There is no smell, do you smell anything here? There is much less smell than there is in the packages because if there is no organic material, it logical. This stuff would all have been sent to the disposal dump, but at least 80% of it, you see that racket … is plastic, so that was our logic … "
Blog: "You get your hands on this stuff … "
Carla Poli : "No, this goes directly into the process, but we do check it to make sure that it is properly sorted. This, instead, is plastic packaging material for which there is no ready market and the Conai National consortium earmarks it for disposal or incineration, but we are able to recycle it. All this material is re-checked before going up to the plant. There is a magnet along the way, so if there’s any metal items … we even recover any metal and aluminium here … because within the dry fraction, someone may overlook a tin can, which we then recover, as well as even the smallest pieces, which we sell. It’s aluminium after all, there are machines to do this job, and it is used in… "
Blog: "Dr. Carla Poli, we have come here to see the Vedelago Recycling Centre. What do you do here at this plant? "
Carla Poli: "We receive the differentiated refuse from various Municipalities and companies, everything except the organic waste, and we proceed to separate out any material for which there is a ready market. Any material for which there is no ready market gets recycled into raw materials and secondary raw materials, for which there is a ready market.
Blog: "Starting with what? "
Carla Poli: "Starting with waste material that is not immediately usable in its current state, while any bottles and containers are sold off to factories that make new bottles or batteries. This is all the assorted plastic material, still with some paper on them, as well as all the other waste material that used to be sent off to the rubbish dump or to the incinerators. This is a sample of flooring material made from our granulate together with recycled wood chips. This flooring is used in prefabricated buildings, as interior flooring and non-slip exterior flooring, In other words, we have the techniques and the research has already been done. We have had to invest our own money because, until now, we have never received any funding for our research and testing in collaboration with the universities …. "
Blog: "So this material comes out of this plant? "
Carla Poli: "We don’t produce it, there is another company that makes it, but we have now established a new production chain, namely the manufacturing of consumer goods! In addition to this flooring, this material is also used instead of wood to produce chair seats and backrests, like this little armchair. All these chairs still need is to be upholstered. These are boardwalk sections for the beachfront, they are used extensively and they’re made 100% from our material. "
Blog: "Even bollards? "
Carla Poli: "Yes, they contain a certain percentage. We have to continuously research and test. We have to ask ourselves: how do we manufacture this item? How much of this granulate can we use? What can we combine it with? For example, here we have some rubber left over from our recycling of copper cable, the possibilities are endless so we have to research, look for applications and experiment. Pallets, for example, those are used in construction. They have to be submerged in cement in order to improve the aeration and seismic resistance of buildings. The company that used to make them here in Italy, in Ancona in fact, eventually closed down because it was uncompetitive in the marketplace due to its costs, but now, thanks to this new research and application, the company has been re-opened. 80% of this igloo consists of our granulate, or up to 80%, so even partial utilisation of our granulate contributes towards reducing costs. The important thing is our system, not the fact that we have a plant that can be replicated, nor the fact that it can be made to work anywhere, we can .... No, our system relies on organising the territory, in other words, we need the support of the public entities because these public entities are required by law to treat urban waste, while the industrial aspect is a totally different matter. The companies are doing a great job of differential refuse collection because it is saving them money, that’s all there is to it, understand? Amongst themselves, the San Pellegrino Group, the Vera Group, Gatorade and the entire Benetton Group all have canteens and they all practice differentiated waste disposal for the simple reason that it enables them to cut down on their running costs. A method like this can be exported into the Campania region, where the situation is desperate. In Campania, they have to start up the plants, which they already have but which are not working!"
Blog: "That’s because they have been converted and they no longer generate power from waste. "
Carla Poli: "Does this mean that it has to be taken to the waste disposal dump or to the incinerator? Well, either it goes there or it goes off for recycling, the material has to go somewhere! "
Blog: "There is a mountain of eco-bales that no one knows for sure what they contain … "
Carla Poli: "Eco-bales are a totally different problem. You have to know what… we don’t handle unsorted material that arrives in bulk. If you want to go this route, and I’ve said it three times already, then you have to arrange for appropriate refuse collection upstream, because no one wants to work in chaos. Instead, if the dry fraction of the refuse arrives, without any organic matter and we find that it has 4 or 5% humidity, then we will correct the error, the percentage error, not the mix error that is … if you’re not prepared to do this, then the stuff must be taken to the dump. It is obvious that there are certain very specific rules … If a Company mixes its production waste, which may be plastic fragments, with the waste from its canteens, you must understand that we won’t even touch it because we need material, not raw refuse! Those that do differentiated refuse collection must understand that there is a big difference. So the recycling starts here, we transform the stuff into primary and secondary raw materials, as you can see, here you can see it perfectly, this is… you see the dry fraction? There is no smell, do you smell anything here? There is much less smell than there is in the packages because if there is no organic material, it logical. This stuff would all have been sent to the disposal dump, but at least 80% of it, you see that racket … is plastic, so that was our logic … "
Blog: "You get your hands on this stuff … "
Carla Poli : "No, this goes directly into the process, but we do check it to make sure that it is properly sorted. This, instead, is plastic packaging material for which there is no ready market and the Conai National consortium earmarks it for disposal or incineration, but we are able to recycle it. All this material is re-checked before going up to the plant. There is a magnet along the way, so if there’s any metal items … we even recover any metal and aluminium here … because within the dry fraction, someone may overlook a tin can, which we then recover, as well as even the smallest pieces, which we sell. It’s aluminium after all, there are machines to do this job, and it is used in… "
A virtuous industry
Blog: "In your opinion, can anything be done about the compromised material like the eco-bales from Naples? "
I don’t know what is in those eco-bales, but if they include organic material … if it is busy fermenting, which means that it includes organic material, then the first step would be to remove all that organic material, otherwise it can’t be turned into … "
Blog: "Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to breathe here in the first place … "
Precisely! Instead, that problem doesn’t exist here. Let’s skip ahead. After this, it goes into that machine whose blades are being replaced at the moment, where it gets cut up, then heated and melted, then cooled until the temperature drops to around 160/180°, so there is no combustion, the plastic material is simply melted. It also includes certain other materials, such a wood chips, in accordance with legal requirements because there are in fact existing laws, regulations and UNI standards in place. After densification, the material is cooled because it comes out hot. It then goes into that grinder, which is actually called a granulator, then into a screener that separates the smaller particles from the larger ones, after which it gets bagged. "
Blog: "So, these bags contain the magic material then! "
Carla Poli: "This is a type of material that, this is densified material, comes out soft, you can see how soft it is, and then hardens into granules, or even this … because we don’t make any end product, we merely produce the raw material for other companies."
Blog: "Are there those that want it a little coarser … "
Carla Poli: "I don’t keep any material in stock, we only produce to order, booked beforehand. We always produce what the customer orders, for example, if we have a customer who wants the material more or less dense, more or less cooked, more or less fine, then we produce it for him, we’re not a supermarket that has a 3 for the price of 2 sale, here we have to produce what we can sell because if we get 100 tons coming in every day, then 100 tons must go out at all costs every day! "
Blog: "How many people work in a plant such as this? "
Carla Poli: "We have 64 employees, however, we also send some materials out to other companies for processing. There are a number of companies in Treviso Province that are involved in re cycling, for example, these crates are sent out to a company that washes them and then grinds them up into flakes, which they then sell on to another company that will use the material to manufacture new crates or perhaps basins. "
Blog: "So there is also secondary employment. "
Carla Poli: "Yes, there is secondary employment. A research institute has calculated that the secondary employment resulting from our company amounts to around 9,200 people. This is what they have calculated. We could do the work ourselves, but we would have to bring in special machinery and then we wouldn’t get around to doing what we do, namely the initial recycling! Up there is the platform where we do all the sorting and all these rooms will soon fill up, one with clear bottles, one with blue bottles and one with mixed colours. Once a room is full, we push the material up to the press, via these conveyor belts that feed the press, that green machine over there that produces bales, which then go to the production storage warehouse. This, instead, is a production stock pile, which means that, should one of the machines in the first section break down, the second section can continue working. This screen does a great job. It separates out all the light plastic, which has not ready market, as well as the small pieces of plastic. It is called the undersieve. It sends all the bottles and containers up to the platform and it basically does an initial screening of the plastic material so as to optimise production. If we had to do this by hand, we would require another platforms. You hear the noise? That’s because there is glass in this material. We organise all the various materials. A week before delivery we already know what type of material will be delivered so we plan our production around the various materials to be delivered. So, knowing what materials will be delivered, each of the work teams knows what has to be done. We know precisely what types of packaging or other material will be coming in … are sold either before or after they are actually delivered to us, so we have to know what it is and how we’re going to recycle it so that we can gear up our production. So, once again we come back to production. This is a closed circuit, as is the case in nature, not an open cycle. You see, recycling begins at school, because that is where we get the kids used to the idea of re cycling. These are bags of dry fraction, you notice that there are no black bags? We don’t want black bags because the responsibility lies with those that deliver the waste, so they must not think that it has to be concealed, you can see that this is dry fraction, so they are more careful, otherwise it will be seen because the truck operator has a clear view, so he may say: no, this is not okay, so please sort it properly and be more careful in future. If, instead, the bag is black, you can’t see what’s in it. This price we charge for this kind of refuse collection is..... nothing, understand? The other instead… packaging, tin cans, plastic, they separate at the schools, you notice how this stuff has all been separated? All we have to do is put it on the line. It all passes under a machine, if there is any metal or aluminium, because these days tins are made of metal, so, if its metal, it has to be separated from the… however, the bulk of the work has already been done by the schools, and it cost them nothing to do it because instead of putting it there, they put it here, so it is merely a matter of conscience, because they see because they come here on visits and they see what we do with the various materials. "
Blog: "How much would it cost to set up a plant such as this one? "
Carla Poli: "That depends on how much material has to be treated. If you want to set up only the first section or perhaps only the second section, then it cost us around 5.5 or 6 million Euro. But we are continuously buying new machinery , because it is not as if … here they have just loaded a truck with a specific type of material, so… but do you see our selection process? You see the containers, the coloured bottles, the clear ones, the blue ones, that’s what the Italian market wants. The black material, that’s the crates, then there is the nylon, while the assorted stuff that comes in... that’s how it arrives here. That white stuff is all polystyrene bags from a company that has already separated them, then there’s also the cardboard. We separate the cardboard and send it out to the paper recyclers, while the polystyrene goes off somewhere else. After this, there are all the other operations, in other words, the secondary employment is created by the various types of material to be processed. In Sardinia for example, where we will soon be inaugurating a new plant, which will merely be an official inauguration because the plant is already operating, a new co-operative has been established to utilise the granulate in the construction sector, because they currently purchase their sand from the Continent and this is costing them a fortune, they re-utilise it. However, businesses are now being established to utilise this material and, in order to do so, they have to find new ways. Hence the collaboration with the universities and research institutes in Cagliari and Sassari, which have excellent researchers, so we don’t have to go out and find researchers abroad because there are researchers right here, many of whom are indeed looking to go abroad! So we have agreements in place with various university laboratories because certain universities specialise in one specific field, while others specialise in other fields, so you have to go out and find them. This is a job that requires patience and determination, it’s a real job! "
Blog: "But not impossible."
Carla Poli: "No, it is certainly possible. We haven’t only been around since last year, we’ve been around for decades now. At first it was much more difficult to find ideal solutions. But once there are rules and regulations in place that stipulate …., all you have to do is toe the line!
Blog: "In your opinion, can anything be done about the compromised material like the eco-bales from Naples? "
I don’t know what is in those eco-bales, but if they include organic material … if it is busy fermenting, which means that it includes organic material, then the first step would be to remove all that organic material, otherwise it can’t be turned into … "
Blog: "Otherwise we wouldn’t be able to breathe here in the first place … "
Precisely! Instead, that problem doesn’t exist here. Let’s skip ahead. After this, it goes into that machine whose blades are being replaced at the moment, where it gets cut up, then heated and melted, then cooled until the temperature drops to around 160/180°, so there is no combustion, the plastic material is simply melted. It also includes certain other materials, such a wood chips, in accordance with legal requirements because there are in fact existing laws, regulations and UNI standards in place. After densification, the material is cooled because it comes out hot. It then goes into that grinder, which is actually called a granulator, then into a screener that separates the smaller particles from the larger ones, after which it gets bagged. "
Blog: "So, these bags contain the magic material then! "
Carla Poli: "This is a type of material that, this is densified material, comes out soft, you can see how soft it is, and then hardens into granules, or even this … because we don’t make any end product, we merely produce the raw material for other companies."
Blog: "Are there those that want it a little coarser … "
Carla Poli: "I don’t keep any material in stock, we only produce to order, booked beforehand. We always produce what the customer orders, for example, if we have a customer who wants the material more or less dense, more or less cooked, more or less fine, then we produce it for him, we’re not a supermarket that has a 3 for the price of 2 sale, here we have to produce what we can sell because if we get 100 tons coming in every day, then 100 tons must go out at all costs every day! "
Blog: "How many people work in a plant such as this? "
Carla Poli: "We have 64 employees, however, we also send some materials out to other companies for processing. There are a number of companies in Treviso Province that are involved in re cycling, for example, these crates are sent out to a company that washes them and then grinds them up into flakes, which they then sell on to another company that will use the material to manufacture new crates or perhaps basins. "
Blog: "So there is also secondary employment. "
Carla Poli: "Yes, there is secondary employment. A research institute has calculated that the secondary employment resulting from our company amounts to around 9,200 people. This is what they have calculated. We could do the work ourselves, but we would have to bring in special machinery and then we wouldn’t get around to doing what we do, namely the initial recycling! Up there is the platform where we do all the sorting and all these rooms will soon fill up, one with clear bottles, one with blue bottles and one with mixed colours. Once a room is full, we push the material up to the press, via these conveyor belts that feed the press, that green machine over there that produces bales, which then go to the production storage warehouse. This, instead, is a production stock pile, which means that, should one of the machines in the first section break down, the second section can continue working. This screen does a great job. It separates out all the light plastic, which has not ready market, as well as the small pieces of plastic. It is called the undersieve. It sends all the bottles and containers up to the platform and it basically does an initial screening of the plastic material so as to optimise production. If we had to do this by hand, we would require another platforms. You hear the noise? That’s because there is glass in this material. We organise all the various materials. A week before delivery we already know what type of material will be delivered so we plan our production around the various materials to be delivered. So, knowing what materials will be delivered, each of the work teams knows what has to be done. We know precisely what types of packaging or other material will be coming in … are sold either before or after they are actually delivered to us, so we have to know what it is and how we’re going to recycle it so that we can gear up our production. So, once again we come back to production. This is a closed circuit, as is the case in nature, not an open cycle. You see, recycling begins at school, because that is where we get the kids used to the idea of re cycling. These are bags of dry fraction, you notice that there are no black bags? We don’t want black bags because the responsibility lies with those that deliver the waste, so they must not think that it has to be concealed, you can see that this is dry fraction, so they are more careful, otherwise it will be seen because the truck operator has a clear view, so he may say: no, this is not okay, so please sort it properly and be more careful in future. If, instead, the bag is black, you can’t see what’s in it. This price we charge for this kind of refuse collection is..... nothing, understand? The other instead… packaging, tin cans, plastic, they separate at the schools, you notice how this stuff has all been separated? All we have to do is put it on the line. It all passes under a machine, if there is any metal or aluminium, because these days tins are made of metal, so, if its metal, it has to be separated from the… however, the bulk of the work has already been done by the schools, and it cost them nothing to do it because instead of putting it there, they put it here, so it is merely a matter of conscience, because they see because they come here on visits and they see what we do with the various materials. "
Blog: "How much would it cost to set up a plant such as this one? "
Carla Poli: "That depends on how much material has to be treated. If you want to set up only the first section or perhaps only the second section, then it cost us around 5.5 or 6 million Euro. But we are continuously buying new machinery , because it is not as if … here they have just loaded a truck with a specific type of material, so… but do you see our selection process? You see the containers, the coloured bottles, the clear ones, the blue ones, that’s what the Italian market wants. The black material, that’s the crates, then there is the nylon, while the assorted stuff that comes in... that’s how it arrives here. That white stuff is all polystyrene bags from a company that has already separated them, then there’s also the cardboard. We separate the cardboard and send it out to the paper recyclers, while the polystyrene goes off somewhere else. After this, there are all the other operations, in other words, the secondary employment is created by the various types of material to be processed. In Sardinia for example, where we will soon be inaugurating a new plant, which will merely be an official inauguration because the plant is already operating, a new co-operative has been established to utilise the granulate in the construction sector, because they currently purchase their sand from the Continent and this is costing them a fortune, they re-utilise it. However, businesses are now being established to utilise this material and, in order to do so, they have to find new ways. Hence the collaboration with the universities and research institutes in Cagliari and Sassari, which have excellent researchers, so we don’t have to go out and find researchers abroad because there are researchers right here, many of whom are indeed looking to go abroad! So we have agreements in place with various university laboratories because certain universities specialise in one specific field, while others specialise in other fields, so you have to go out and find them. This is a job that requires patience and determination, it’s a real job! "
Blog: "But not impossible."
Carla Poli: "No, it is certainly possible. We haven’t only been around since last year, we’ve been around for decades now. At first it was much more difficult to find ideal solutions. But once there are rules and regulations in place that stipulate …., all you have to do is toe the line!
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